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Project Management Software Recommendations for Managing PPC Accounts

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A while ago I wrote an article on How to Run Your PPC Accounts like a Project. Projects have milestones, todo dates, team insight, and most importantly – accountability.

After I wrote the article, I received a lot of feedback and questions about what project management solution I recommend. Today, I’m going to give my current opinions on the systems available. Of course, I will not cover every system a some are not suited to PPC management, some are meant for enterprise projects and large teams, and others have a large development focus.

First, I’ll look at some of the features of PM systems that help in evaluating a system, and then look at a few of the software options available.

Project Management Requirements

Recurring Tasks

Some PM systems allow a task to be recurring. This means you can easily setup tasks such as:

  • Change bids on Tuesday
  • Change bids on Thursday
  • Test ads every other week on Friday
  • Test landing pages every other week on Friday
  • Add negative keywords on Mondays

When the day of the task arrives, you check off the task and then it will automatically pop-up the next time it is due. That is the ideal situation for running PPC accounts like projects.

Many accounts do not support recurring tasks. That means that you have to either just change the due-date whenever the task is complete, or mark the task as complete and then create a new task. This is not an ideal situation as something is bound to get messed up over time.

Templates

A PM template can be a project or a todo list that you create once and then can easily apply to a new project or task list.

There are two main reasons you need templates:

  • The project management system you choose does not support recurring tasks. Therefore, you need to apply new todo lists each month (or change the due date every time you complete the task)
  • You are an agency and need to create every client as a new project.

If you don’t fit into one of those two situations, then you may not need templates.

Speed & Ease of Use

Project management software is like software: sometimes it is intuitive and easy-to-use and other times its clunky, confusing, or wastes your time.

Even if a system has every bell & whistle you need – if its slow and cumbersome then you will find that your team doesn’t use it as its not helping you get stuff done – its in the way.

While these items are subjective, I’ll try to give my best interpretation for each system what I think about the interface and ease-of-adoption.

Time Tracking

I find time tracking is useful beyond just billing.  Of course, if you are billing time & materials, then you will want to track time somewhere. Tracking directly in the PM software is nice as you have a consolidated view into the total hours for a client and the work that is done and needs to be done.

However, I find time tracking very useful even for internal teams managing PPC accounts. I was working with one company who finally agreed to track time per task. After just two weeks, we realized that they were spending a ridiculous amount of time blocking placements using Google Analytics data. This company was using GA and AdWords APIs for reporting data, but they weren’t consolidating the view for some data. It took less than a week for a single developer to create a script that would automatically block placements with the same methodology. There was a simple 20 hours per week of time reclaimed because of time tracking.

However, this might not be a deal breaker for many – its one feature I find incredibly useful for both billing and non-billing purposes.

3rd Party Integrations

If you are tracking time inside of your PM for billing purposes, then it makes sense to choose a billing system that will automatically grab your data from your PM system so that you don’t have to re-enter data in a 2nd place.

There are some systems that will automatically sync files between your PM, Google docs, and dropbox accounts. Change the files in one place, and they are changed and synced everywhere.

While 3rd party integrations can be incredibly useful – watch out for ‘feature creep’. You want a system that helps you stay organized and get tasks done. You don’t want to burden yourself with so many features that either you never use them or you feel you must use them and thus give yourself busy work.

Project Management System Reviews

Basecamp Review

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Basecamp is one of the most used project management systems around. It is probably the fastest of every PM software that exist. It also has some of the fewest features. Basecamp puts as much thought into what they do launch as to what they do not launch.

For years, Basecamp has been the best project management system for those new to project management due to the lack of features. However, it does not support recurring tasks. It does have robust templates, and the best 3rd party integration system around; but the lack of recurring tasks can be a dealbreaker for many.

Recently, Basecamp renamed the current project to ‘Basecamp Classic’ and introduced a new interface. It might be that I’m not use to the new interface yet – but personally I can’t stand it. They took out the API, templates, time tracking, etc. If they roll back to the old version (if you have the old version – they will support it; but I don’t think you can signup for the old version) then Basecamp Classic is great overall – if you don’t need recurring tasks.

Deskaway Review

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I’ll always have a special place for deskaway as they were one of the first systems to support recurring tasks, time tracking, and templates. I used them a *lot* for two solid years because of those features. However, the past couple years has seen advances in speed and interface design with HTML 5, AJAX, etc; and Deskaway has never taken advantage of what’s possible. It really needs a UI overhaul.

While Deskaway has as many features as any of the products on the market, several tasks take just too many clicks and screens to complete. There are times it feels like its ‘in the way’ of getting things done and it isn’t always helping you. If you need a full featured system, or if you want a system that will keep both your developers and your team organized – it can be useful. It doesn’t have the capability of release cycle scheduling like JIRA, but it does have bug tracking so it can be used by developers and PPC mangers alike.

Podio Review

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Podio is like that kid in class who ‘has potential’ but just can’t seem to get around to getting his homework done.

Podio has features that go well beyond project management. It can be a CRM, project management, advertising management, email task lists, and much more all in one interface.

Podio is the most customizable of any of these PM systems – nothing even comes close. But it has some fatal flaws. For one its slow. It feels like it’s a start-up that hasn’t switched to Rackspace Cloud Hosting or AWS yet (either that or its UI is making way too many non-optimized calls to the database). It also is very non-intuitive calling projects ‘workspaces’ and each workspace only has one task list. There is not a task lists or sub task organization.

Podio is still new; so I’ll give it a break and keep an eye on it – it does have potential; but potential doesn’t help me get work done.

ZOHO Review

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To call Zoho just project management is an injustice. Zoho is a replacement for your CRM, PM, and Google apps all rolled into one.

If you are looking for a non-Google solution to email, docs, etc – then you should consider Zoho.

Four years ago, Zoho was my PM, docs, and many other systems rolled into one – and I really enjoyed it. Then they refreshed their UI and my Zoho fascination was resigned to the trashbin. What use to take five seconds suddenly took 30. What took one click suddenly took 5.

It is a shame – it has a lot of potential. Different potential than Podio. Podio is a PM/CRM/tracking system for anything online. Zoho could also be your email, docs, and more. I check back on it every six months or so and I still don’t find a reason to go back. If you are looking for an all-in-one solution – take a look. If you just want a good project management system – then keep looking.

Teamwork Project Manager (teamworkpm.net)

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TeamworkPM.net is a Basecamp rescue site. If you like the concept of basecamp but it just doesn’t quite fit your style; then take a serious look at TeamworkPM.

TeamworkPM supports recurring tasks, copy project (an ad hoc template system), milestones, and customizable dashboards. Its still new that it doesn’t have all the features (such as granular user permission by project) of more seasoned software, but they do have an excellent roadmap.

Where TeamworkPM really falls short is 3rd party integration. If you are looking to integrate the data elsewhere; you won’t find too many options. If that’s not a problem, then take a close look at TeamworkPM.

If you just want to get things done and do not need a lot of features, take a close look at TeamworkPM.

Calendar

If its just you and you don’t need to show accountability to another person, share files, or have any more work other than getting things done – then create a calendar of all your tasks. We have a free calendar you can subscribe to and instructions how to create your own inside of Certified Knowledge. You only need a free account to access the information.

Project Management Recommendations

If you need lots of 3rd party integrations: Basecamp Classic

If you need a single PM system for developers and managers: TeamworkPM (no bug tracking) or Deskway (bug tracking).

If you want the latest cutting edge new software on the market: Podio

If you want a single login for everything business related: Zoho

If you just want to get work done: TeamworkPM.

If you think this is too many options and you just want me to tell you what to pick: Choose TeamworkPM.

38 Comments

  1. Adrian Bold
    March 20, 2012 at 11:22 am · Reply

    Thanks for this review Brad. I’ve been giving Podio a try since your last post. I’m also a Google Apps for Business user and like the integration there.

    In terms of time management, Yast is another service available as a standalone or via Google Apps marketplace. It’s simple yet very effective.

  2. brad
    March 20, 2012 at 12:29 pm · Reply

    Adrian – why do you think Google Apps is a great integration? I’m also a G Apps user; but sometimes outside of having a dropdown navigation link – the integration doesn’t seem to do much.

    In some systems its great (batchbooks is a wonderful contact sync for CRM as is desk.com for support). Just wondering what PM/time tracking feature that having integration for makes a difference in your everyday workload.

    Thanks.

    • Adrian Bold
      March 21, 2012 at 8:28 am · Reply

      As mentioned, I am new to Podio but the hook for me (being the simple soul that I am!) was the ability to add tasks directly from email. Coupled with the fact you can now add docs from Google Apps and assign to others, I feel comfortable with this functionality.

      I am very new to it so would class myself in trial mode but it’s certainly a big improvement on the task manager I was using previously and, of course, better than the near non-existent offering that Google provides.

      In terms of AdWords PM, I don’t have the formality of process that you have outlined. I imported your calendar to see what you have created there. Of course, the tasks were all logical but I couldn’t see it as being a practical solution for me; I’m not really sure I could segment a project in this way but prefer to work with a ‘things to consider/review’ type list and then prioritise based on time available for a given project.

      • brad
        March 21, 2012 at 8:42 am · Reply

        Adrian – that makes sense – thanks for sharing.

        I’m still using basecamp for a lot of items (I need very granular permission levels for tasks and views because clients, employees, contractors, developers, QAs, etc login to the system and I want a perfect billing/invoicing sync – although I mostly use JIRA for developers b/c of release cycle scheduling) and some simple items for newer employees who aren’t overly familiar with PM.

        What I’ve found to be a really nice solution for document collaboration is CloudHQ. It syncs google docs with dropbox (and basecamp). So, if something is changed in any of those places, it is synced everywhere. As soon as they add evernote syncs as well; then it might become a must-have collab updating system.

        • Adrian Bold
          March 21, 2012 at 8:57 am · Reply

          Thanks for tip re CloudHQ. Seeing the reference to Dropbox means it’s another I’m going to have to explore. Ho, hum… so much good stuff, never enough time (somewhat ironically!).

          I’m also an Evernote user and just love it. Another that I’m sure I could do more with but think it’s fab. The ‘Clearly’ add-on for Chrome is really nice.

        • Adrian Bold
          March 21, 2012 at 9:17 am · Reply

          Just had a very quick peek at CloudHQ. Probably overkill for my needs. I use Dropbox for those files I don’t want in Google Apps, i.e. no need to sync.

          I use Syncdocs to synchronise Google Docs between computers and back this up to cloud and locally using Mozy.

          There’s probably more refined solutions but this works for me.

  3. rynnic
    March 20, 2012 at 7:49 pm · Reply

    Hi Brad– Ryan here from Podio. Thanks for the feedback– over time I hope we’re able to live up to the potential you see in us!

    To answer your question about our google integration… we offer an email gadget to turn emails into Podio tasks, google docs integration for workflow around your files, and import/export for google calendar and contacts. Here’s a complete rundown: get.podio.com/Podio-for-Google-Apps

    To clarify some confusion around workspaces & tasks: Many of our customers use workspaces to manage multiple projects (so they’re not exactly the same thing). Tasks can be associated with anything in Podio to help you stay organized– a specific project, deliverable, or even just a label. Ping me if I can show you how that works.

    We do run on AWS, so I’m surprised that you’re seeing performance issues– let’s see if we can get those resolved for you at [email protected].

    Anyway, great feedback, fantastic to get this sort of comparison!

    Cheers,
    Ryan

    • marcnaidu
      June 10, 2012 at 11:13 am · Reply

      Hi Ryan,

      We are close to using Podio for our enterprise Project management and collaboration tool.

      A big question we have is does Podio have the ability to have subtasks. Right now, all we see is Tasks.

      Appreciate your reply and if there is a number for us to call you at to get details on this … all the better!

      Thanks,

      Marc Naidu
      Singapore

  4. brad
    March 21, 2012 at 7:04 am · Reply

    Ryan,

    Thanks for stopping by. Just to be clear – this article isn’t about PM systems in general – it’s specifically for managing PPC accounts.

    I do understand how the system works; the concept of spaces, etc.

    What I find very non-intuitive is how views are created. For instance, if you have 6 workspaces and 4 projects within a workspace; it seems that you’d want to choose tasks from the top bar to see your tasks and then a workspace/project from the side bar and then see that intersection view for tasks.

    The other way (since its not an intersectional system) to handle tasks management from a view standpoint it so easily have a custom view by person. For instance, tasks due by me in the next 7 days. Or tasks due by me in the next 7 days for project Y. On the task overview screen you can view them by date or by project/tag/etc. But there’s not an easily customized overview screen show what needs to be done right now (unless I’m missing something – if I am please let me know).

    I do really like the customization feature and apps so that you really can make podio do whatever you want it to do. I just personally find that the way the UI lays out can get very confusing as to what click causes which view to be displayed.

    As Podio has a very customized layout and really does need some instruction as to how to use the system because its not just PM; it would seem that making the layout/familiar concepts as intuitive as possible would be key to increasing the usability.

  5. brad
    March 21, 2012 at 7:10 am · Reply

    Note on Asana:

    I received quite a bit of email/tweets mentioning that I left off Asana. I did so because it does not have milestone or calendar views, permissions by project/task, private tasks, etc.

    However… If you just need task management (and tasks can be segmented by project, heading, recurring, etc) where everyone within the company can see the tasks; and nothing else – then Asana is a good system. My main concern with Asana is that if your company/client lists grows – the software might not grow with you.

    As far as straight task management goes; Asana and NirvanaHQ (personal only but amazing) are two exceptional systems.

  6. djohnson
    March 21, 2012 at 1:56 pm · Reply

    Thanks Ryan – while it’s initially appealing to get a one-stop shop for project management (time tracking, CRM, invoicing, accounting, etc) I’ve found that I have had more success in finding the companies that are the best at their niche and integrating my systems together. For that reason, I’ve been using TSheets.com for my online timesheets, FreshBooks for my invoicing (although they do time tracking as well but I’ve found that invoicing is their strong point) and ADP for payroll… it has been a dream team of softwares for my business!

  7. sahilparikh
    March 22, 2012 at 5:55 am · Reply

    Hey Brad,
    Thanks for mentioning DeskAway 🙂 Your comments are well taken. We are currently working on a brand new UI which will take advantage of all the new things that have cropped up in the last few years. Faster, better and access anything with 2 clicks or less. Stay tuned…

    Best,
    Sahil

  8. extralabs
    March 26, 2012 at 8:42 am · Reply

    can i suggest a good free project management tool? try this time tracker http://www.truetimetracker.com/ – with ability to manage projects and create invoices

  9. dashley
    March 26, 2012 at 5:38 pm · Reply

    Well I ended up trying out podio, deskaway and teamworkpm(although i know basecamp) and in the the end teamwork is the winner. I found that for my purposes their interface and everything else just worked better for my paid search needs. Easy to use task lists, the user permission abilities to allow other workers only access to their lists, time tracking and the ease of use won me over. I really liked podio but the interface seemed a bit hard to work with. Deskaway seemed all right but in the end teamwork was the winner here. It seemed very scaleable and right now I am going with the 5 project pricing model. My smaller clients I have combined into 2 projects with task list for each client, I have 1 project for my company business, and then my 2 major clients each get a project. As I, hopefully, turn smaller clients into big ones then it is very easy to swap task lists around to their own project. Thanks for this and the past article it has really managed to turn my todo list into something much more manageable.

  10. brad
    March 27, 2012 at 1:18 am · Reply

    dashley – thanks for the update. Always nice to see when the topic is both useful and actionable 🙂

  11. olga
    March 27, 2012 at 7:45 am · Reply

    Brad, thanks for the article. Let me also suggest you another project management system that seems to meet all the requirements you’ve mentioned – TeamLab. It provides project templates, the time tracking option. The calendar includes recurring events with notifications and synchs with Google, Yahoo and Apple calendars. Among the other integrations there’re Box.net, Dropbox and Google Docs. TeamLab also offers a pack of really unique features such as the built-in online editor.
    Hope my suggestion is useful for you.

    • brad
      March 28, 2012 at 1:54 am · Reply

      Olga – Thanks for sharing. Does the software support recurring tasks as well?

  12. binfire
    April 1, 2012 at 3:47 am · Reply

    Brad, Great article! Please also check binfire.com, it is a collaborative project management application with lots of social features. Includes advance features like interactive Gantt and WBS etc.

    David

  13. carpool
    April 1, 2012 at 7:34 pm · Reply

    Brad – the TeamLab software does not support recurring tasks but this can be achieved with the calender – this is one of the main limitations of this software. Limitations with both this software and Podio are also the lack of integration with CRM and Projects. Podio is powerful but it does not have the most user friendly interface and is not intuitive.

  14. brad
    April 2, 2012 at 4:31 am · Reply

    @carpool thanks for that info. I just created a quick account with teamlab and it also doesn’t look like it supports task lists. I really like breaking down tasks into task lists for large projects. I have some projects with more than 500 tasks. Trying to see that as one big list is impossible to comprehend.

    I really didn’t think of task lists as a major selling point as most software I was using examining used it (a few didn’t). After seeing even more task & project managers, I’m starting to realize that really is a feature that I need.

  15. carpool
    April 2, 2012 at 7:21 pm · Reply

    Ahh – I meant aceproject.com not acecamp.com

  16. brad
    April 3, 2012 at 5:55 am · Reply

    @carpool thanks for the update. I might have to put together a checklist of features for project management software and its uses for ppc management, business management, actual project management, and software project management.

    I doubt I’ll be able to add in checkboxes for every software for every possible feature, but the overall chart might be useful for everyone.

  17. pashmina
    April 5, 2012 at 9:03 pm · Reply

    Here I am on a Thursday night, surfing the web with a dozen tabs open looking for that looking for THE project management service to manage my recurring flat rate service business to manage PPC clients. I’ve looked at practically all the options in the Google app marketplace. And another half dozen more. Latest and greatest is SWYDO. Apparently, made just for us. But I’m not sold yet.

    I’m with djohnson on the niche concept. While I’m not familiar with Podio, I generally find the all-in-one solutions to be more of a pain in the long haul. I call it “Frankenstein software” http://www.greatestwebapps.com/why-software-apps-suck/ They may do everything, but not anything great. If you go with the niche software concept, then you can more easily adopt newer tech when something better or more nimble comes along. It’s much harder to replace a software when it manages too many aspects of your business. I digress…

    So time tracking wise I’ve been using Beebole. It’s a very different interface, but at the time very few tools allowed me to assign a different billable rate per person, and then have it debit against a fixed budget.

    Brad, Active Collab does a decent job of recurring project templates with other robust features, but I feel like the organization of it from a UI stand point is really annoying. Just simple things like “Attaching a file” seem so old school. For a while I was using Mavenlink. But their lack of subtasks was really annoying, and the views didn’t make it manageable. They since implemented some updates that may make me go back to it.

    As for the power task list tool, I looked at Asana but Producteev won out. slightly more intuitive, and more advanced in terms of views. Like sort by deadline, or show me ALL tasks regardless of project or who it’s assigned to.

    In the end I’m still looking, and lacking… And wishing and hoping that some day there will be that AHA! moment.

  18. acandrei
    May 11, 2012 at 9:12 am · Reply

    Hello everybody, I definitely agree with Pashmine that an application shouldn’t be a Frankestein that does it all but nothing great. I have started developing an app about 6 months ago and most of the research time was spent in making the UI lighter and faster and just being super good at some points that I considered to be crucial in a pm tool. I am very close to launchi it and and I am very interested in a feedback from you guys.

  19. david
    May 25, 2012 at 6:08 am · Reply

    Hi everyone! Thanks for the article. I was using Basecamp for several years and always thought that Basecamp is the best project management system for those new to project management too. But about a year ago we implemented in our company another task tracking software solution from comindware. Very good and multi functional system. Also I like its feature of instant real time reporting.

  20. kumarranjit
    June 10, 2012 at 9:41 am · Reply

    Hi great post!

    We are looking for a PM solution for our company if you can give us suggestions it would be great.

    We are looking for a PM solution that offers, Task delegation, simple discussions within the project, private assignment of task to specific members of the project, chat facility / Group meeting if possible would be great.

    Is there is any PM tool that can do all these any suggestions would be highly appreciated.

    Thanks in advance!

    • brad
      June 10, 2012 at 1:37 pm · Reply

      @kumarranjit Hmm; the group meeting might be one of the harder things to add. Basecamp has campfire which is group chat. Zoho has a group chat function. Podio was acquired by citrix; so I’d expect some gotomeeting function in the future. I’m not sure of one that has true group meeting integration (it probably exists – I just don’t know if it).

      The private assignment might be a difficult one. Many of the PM softwares have the ability to have the task lists private; but that’s usually private for just the owners – not necessarily everyone. Granular permissions are hard to come by in many systems.

      I’d take a look at basecamp classic or zoho for what you need.

  21. kumarranjit
    June 10, 2012 at 8:26 pm · Reply

    Thanks Brad for the quick reply appreciate the same. for testing I did signup with basecamp and Podio, after playing around with Basecamp like the simple interface but I feel the new basecamp its not offering much and has too little functionality with it’s default feature set.

    I also looked into Podio initial impressions lots of options, scared me at the beginning 🙂

    I completely forgot to mention having a time-tracking tool in these PM would be great coz it would be easier to track time spent on Projects, does Podio have a built in time-tracking mechanism or does it again require third party tools to accomplish that?

  22. brad
    June 12, 2012 at 6:48 am · Reply

    I’m not sure about podio and time tracking as Podio was just too slow for me.

    Basecamp classic, teamworkpm, zoho, and deskaway have time tracking. Also, you might want to look at your invoice system as well to see if that has time tracking. I like doing time tracking regardless of invoicing to see where time is being spent/what can be automated. However, some companies prefer to timetrack inside their invoice system.

    Personally, I use cashboardapp for invoicing which will do a 2 way sync with basecamp classic for invoicing. Finding 2 way syncs is difficult to find for many PM systems though.

  23. jeroen
    July 31, 2012 at 11:32 am · Reply

    Great post Brad, very insightful, and @pashmina, thanks for mentioning Swydo as a project management tool for PPC. We are always happy with feedback on our product.

    Swydo is indeed only made for online marketers and has recurring tasks, time tracking, progress of projects /services, Calendar integration, Google docs integration. We are working on templates.

    Next to that there is PDF reporting with your own or your clients logo, templates and API integration with Google Analytics, Adwords, Webmaster tools and Twitter. You create a login with your Google Account, so there is no need to think of a new username/password.

    We are working on further improvements, so if you want you give us input please do so .

    Basecamp, Podio etc. are great tools, but are specifically made for projects, while, we as marketers, mostly work on ongoing services. These ongoing services are not well supported in these traditional PM solutions. The difference is for instance that you want to see progress or time spend per month.

    We try to avoid creating ‘frankenstein software’. We basically try to make software that integrates task management for online marketers and easy client reporting and that’s it. The next stage will be the symbiosis of KPI’s in tasks and online marketing. So you can say ” When I have keywords with quality score <3 automatically create a task for me". We will not have bid management etc. in Swydo. Our vision is that you manage Adwords in the native interface or the Adwords editor. I invite you to help us program the right product for your needs.

    Best regards, Jeroen , Swydo

  24. pashmina
    July 31, 2012 at 11:47 am · Reply

    @jeroen still a possibility of bordering on Frankenstein. “recurring tasks, time tracking, progress of projects /services, Calendar integration, Google docs integration” – all of that while albeit done by separate tools, is done far better BY other tools than yours.

    If instead your software took the best of the best existing micro-niche services out there to fill each need, and then plugged in the gaps, I’d be more interested.

    As of now, there is no way I’d replace current task management software (Producteev) with yours. You simply can’t compete, period. Just take a look at their iPhone or iPad app, and it is immediately evident how many man hours of development, design and testing has gone into making it one of the best task management apps out there.

    So don’t try and beat ’em, join them! I have yet to find a project management app/company smart enough to relegate task lists and task management; a small, yet complex aspect of total work flow to a 3rd party provider like Producteev, Asana, etc. And I don’t see why not! Believe me when I do, I’ll latch onto it like sesame on rice.

    Same for time management. Apps like Tymer, Beebole, Freckle, take the cake. So why not integrate with them? So what makes the best work flow service app? Well, they’d be agnostic and allow seamless integration with ANY of the above. All of them have useful APIs.

    Kind of like what Freshbooks has done with their integration with 3rd party accounting services/software. Even Freshbooks isn’t sacred though. I wish they’d ditch their attempts at project management and focus on just pure invoicing/billing.

  25. jeroen
    August 1, 2012 at 8:02 am · Reply

    @pashmina So you are creating projects in Producteev, many time management in Beebole, probably have a separate CRM, report in Excell? pffff Seems like, to use another analogy than Frankenstein, you want the best carbon fiber frame, alu rims, and super lightweight tires. There’s only one problem: the loose parts are no bike, so you can’t go for a ride. (we have a lot of bikes here in Amsterdam).

    But I do follow your reasoning, that’s why we did not make an agenda or file management. We integrate with Google’s. We will make an integration with Freshbooks etc. and stick to core functionality: reporting and service management / workflow for online agencies and departments.

  26. projectmanagement
    August 7, 2012 at 1:42 am · Reply

    Hi all! I am about to open my company and so need some tips and a good PM solution. This blog has really helped me achieve very information. I am extremely satisfied with the content of the blog. Thanks.

  27. pashmina
    July 3, 2013 at 11:14 am · Reply

    Just a quick update a year later.

    Producteev now taken over by Jive has become totally useless. They screwed up during transition and a quick search will show how much noise and outrage has occurred amongst its users.

    TeamWorkPM while a year ago was too immature has made considerable strides. They’ve beefed up their templating, permissioning and general UI and speed. And they are SUPER responsive to feedback. This to me is a good indication of a horse I can bet on long term. I have completely transitioned into TeamWork for my PM needs.

    And not only that but we have decided to go with a radically transparent policy, by which all our updates/tasks/optimizations are completely visible to each client via this PM tool. We’re very happy with the results thus far.

    I’ll likely also switch over from Beebole to Harvest given their tight integration. And using Zapier I’ll connect the rest of my tools quite easily.

    @jeroen loose parts can easily be made into a great bike given great APIs. You’re not even making a bike where I can replace the cheap parts with some decent ones. Because your contraption is *entirely* custom made (no API) so the parts aren’t replaceable. IMHO these days software that isn’t also developing a robust API and maturing and evolving that aspect of their software is stunting their own growth.

  28. adhummer
    July 3, 2013 at 1:15 pm · Reply

    <@Pashmina, thanks for the further input. @jeroen, I tried your software - it is for my taste a little too bare in features. The report function is great though. I would be interested in using it just to create the monthly performance reports. Anyone tried "Wrike" yet?

  29. jeroen
    July 3, 2013 at 5:52 pm · Reply

    @adhummer @Pashmina The reporting is undoubtedly our ( Swydo ) killer feature at the moment . The integration of online marketing metrics and tasks has some great advantages nonetheless. When I manage an Adwords campaign, I want to know how it’s going, what I promised the client, what I need to do, have the contract, the meeting notes and report on all these things in one place. That’s possible with our solution. Whether the tasks (or any other data) come from Swydo itself or from another app is not so relevant. A connection with other tools that people are comfortable with is a good idea and in the product roadmap.

  30. Christoph
    January 4, 2014 at 1:31 pm · Reply

    Hey brad,

    been using teamworkPm for 2 yrs and pretty excited,
    but wondered if u recently looked at Wrike?
    They seem to be pretty cool catchup
    and have some fncy Charting

    cheers, c

    • brad
      January 6, 2014 at 5:47 am · Reply

      I haven’t looked at wrike in a while; however, I’m starting to come to one conclusion about PM software: I want to pay by the project and not the user.

      So, I understand these various software’s have to charge more for power accounts; and I have no problem with this. The most common pricing is either by project or by user. I find that if I’m charged by user, I might not invite a developer or client to a project who might not be instrumental in that project; even though it could result in a better overall relationship or software. It’s these ‘nice to have’ people on a project that get lost when I have software with that pricing.

      However, I have no problem paying more for each project, and I’ve never not upgraded an account due to hitting a project limit and needing to upgrade.

      I think that’s my one problem when I look at wrike; and maybe while I’ve been so happy with TeamWorkPM and others as they charge by projects and not users.

      When I look at my current PM software; there are 37 open project that encompass more than 100 users. Roughly 25% of those users rarely, if ever, login. However, since they can login, and can get project email notifications, they don’t feel left out of the project even if they aren’t active in it. This is especially true of clients.

      If the pricing model changes how you use a software; the pricing model should be part of the feature/benefit discussion when choosing software.

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